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Maureen Elsberry Ryan Sprague and Shane

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herd thanks for hanging out with us

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unidentified inside America's UFO

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investigation that new UFO show on the

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History Channel brought to us by Tom

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DeLonge and his impressive team of

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military government and aerospace

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insiders at to the stars Academy aired

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its season 1 finale on Friday July 5th I

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was in Roswell New Mexico at the UFO

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festival last week so we're playing

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catch-up today by covering the final two

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episodes of unidentified we'll get to

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that in just a minute but first let me

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tell you about the Roswell UFO festival

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so if you've never been to the Roswell

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UFO festival it happens every year

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around fourth of July weekend and it is

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it sounds like an old person thing to

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say but I don't know Roswell seems to me

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just to like lend itself to being called

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buddy we had so much fun last year at

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the festival but this thing is fun it's

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a it's a town festival the whole town

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sorts of vendors they have gotten better

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in recent years and they now have a beer

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garden that set up in the street and

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that had different segments of this beer

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garden so I definitely spent some time

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there they have live music they've got

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stages set up they do a human costume

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contest a pet costume contest they do a

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parade they've got lecturers all of that

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is they're the sort of structure of this

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event has remained largely unchanged

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over the last few years but they've got

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a pretty good thing going there and they

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draw a pretty good crowd every year and

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it's fun I mean if you've never been a

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and fun and they've embraced the whole

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UFO thing as they should so for any UFO

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geek like us it's a it's a fun time it's

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it's a weird funky town everything is

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UFO there's a UFO painted on everything

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Street to Main Street yeah I love it yes

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that's right and as it seems to always

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do every year again it rained this year

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festival it seems to rain at some point

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to be on parade night so on the night of

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the parade it it started raining a

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parade away so that image you posted of

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the woman who did the UFO roller skating

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is I give her so many props that was

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cool as hell it was awesome

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spinning around like a flying saucer it

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group thing and be judged all together

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their findings so they did like they're

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costumes so you know yeah I'd say for

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everyone go look at the pictures Jason

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took because I looked at them on the

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road planet post and there were some

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incredible costumes that he took some

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shots of yeah people went all out it was

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courthouse or whatever right there on

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like stood there like an idiot for you

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photos and people kept standing in front

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of me still and crowding in but

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the pets but I managed some of them how

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read something so ya name a street after

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would be cool or you know change the

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name of the museum you know that's

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something the museum could decide Stan

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lot of displays and stuff with a lot of

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it's you know pretty robust and it's UFO

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displays but they just felt so dated I

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all what decade am i and it was really

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you know dated and and not really nice

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to stand there and look at this

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important historical information but yes

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a corkboard or whatever it is right yeah

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exactly so it looked really old outdated

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they needed to do something and they did

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they have gone through and sort of

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touchscreen interaction for some of this

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just it's a world of difference when you

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walk in there you know this is doesn't

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time yeah yeah exactly yeah surprised

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they didn't advertise that in some way

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yeah yeah so this is totally a story for

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another time but Jason reminded me the

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other day that we did a ghost hunt after

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hours in the Roswell museum right when

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we were there during the UFO fest years

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used to be a movie theater yeah we'll

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talk about that another time but I just

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wanted to bring that up because that's

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right and if you've been paying

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attention to Ben Hanson's new paranormal

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show on the Travel Channel we did our

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ghost hunt with our friend Ben Hansen

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stairs

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ghosts of Morgan City I think is the

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title yeah that's right that's right so

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things that happen in Roswell that's

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going to give us a brief recap of what

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episode five of unidentified showed us

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Shane yes this was entitled the atomic

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connection and it started out with them

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sort of teasing the Rendlesham incident

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Holt's tape there and then Lou came on

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wrapped up that intro with some

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commentary from George Knapp who you

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know kind of emphasized the point that

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even presidents aren't completely read

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in on all of the information regarding

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UFOs and these nuclear facilities and so

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forth so I kind of set the stage for the

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episode so the first thing that happened

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Lou

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interviewed a sheriff by the name of

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Larry Gesner from a town called

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McCluskey which was about 75 miles from

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the Minot Air fate air force base in in

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North Dakota and he was also a member of

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the military at Minot when the UFO

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encounters happened there he later

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became a sheriff and then even recounted

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a incident where he observed the UFO

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near his home in 2003 and then Lou was

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off to interviewing

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he met up with George Knapp again in

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Vegas and they kind of talked about the

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many foil requests that George had done

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over the years and they looked at

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several documents from oh really the 40s

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50s all the way through the 80s and then

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they kind of looked at the Minot case

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1968 and then the Malstrom case in both

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cases where UFOs sort of activated and

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deactivated nuclear weapon systems so

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those are obviously you know pretty

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serious cases and then he moves on to

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interview Colonel halt

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they gave quite a bit of time to the

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Rendlesham case and I thought what was

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interesting there they they had that

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kind of nice commentary for from the

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Lord Norton Hill and then what I thought

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was fascinating I'm sure we'll talk more

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about it but they you know publicly

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admitted that yeah there were

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like nuclear weapons stored there so I'd

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never really heard that before

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they always alluded to it but never

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would say it and then he moved on and he

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interviewed John burrows of the

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Rendlesham incident and of course we

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know what John burrows what they focused

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on was how he was affected from being in

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close proximity to the UFO cost him some

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health issues and when he went to get

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those address at the VA his medical

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files were classified he had a real

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difficult time and he ended up engaging

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Senator John McCain and he helped kind

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of get some of that information released

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so that he could get his treatment but

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what they ended up doing was

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interviewing one of his aides by the

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name of Carol Bennett and she was one

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that really did a lot of the legwork and

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paperwork and tried to get that

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information to John and she said was one

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of her most challenging and difficult

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cases to do so that was a pretty

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interesting kind of a new thing then

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they did some questions and some

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commentary from Brian bender that the

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journalist from Politico he made some

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comments and then they went to some

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comments from Greg Bishop and in

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particular regarding Richard Doty and

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that's the Paul bennewitz case in the

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Kirtland Air Force Base and I think that

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in my view anyway Lou kind of dissed

347
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Doty and his tactics and how they were

348
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unethical they kind of made a point of

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trying to see while you you also were a

350
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disinformation agent what's different

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you know and they brought in chris

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mellon and they chatted a bit about it

353
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and they really said the difference is

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is that they you know we're promoting

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transparency of the UFO information that

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the government has not trying to mislead

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people so quite a difference there then

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they even had flavor again make some

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comments and then back to Ryan bender

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and he kind of posed the the things that

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people don't talk a lot about how

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there's these things are either foreign

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countries tech you know US secret tech

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everybody's just crazy and hallucinating

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or it could be

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technology from some others and then

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finally ended up with Lou and Tom and

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Lou kind of revealed to Tom the

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political article where it highlighted

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that the Navy was going to change their

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UFO procedures and update those and make

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it easier for military personnel to

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report and when he did I don't know I

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thought it's kind of an emotional moment

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between Tom and and Lou and Tom Karen

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went on to say this is really kind of

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the reveal of the century or you know if

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you know really important and

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significant so it's kind of how it ended

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up that's actually in the final episode

381
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but yeah yeah unless I'm crazy you know

382
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I had I think I thought I was in 16

383
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that's the like the end of final six

384
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saying you're ruining my I'm pretty sure

385
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you're just gonna have to go back and

386
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watch it both of you yeah

387
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all right baby they may be they you know

388
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got got mileage out of it and did it

389
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twice maybe all right well let's go back

390
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first so we're all extremely familiar

391
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with the Rendlesham UFO story but Ryan

392
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you've spent quite a bit of time with

393
00:17:13,130 --> 00:17:09,860
this case what are your thoughts about

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episode five and and they're covering

395
00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:15,750
Rendlesham yeah I mean it was it was

396
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good to see them covering the nuclear

397
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issue it's been a big part of this this

398
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field for a while in terms of the

399
00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:26,820
Rendlesham case I think they covered it

400
00:17:30,860 --> 00:17:29,490
very well I'm glad they spoke to Colonel

401
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halt who's probably the preeminent

402
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person to talk about this it was a

403
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pretty good I guess I'd say Cliff Notes

404
00:17:40,580 --> 00:17:38,520
version of what went on

405
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I think they talked to two of the most

406
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credible people involved the colonel and

407
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John Burroughs

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I found it really really cool that they

409
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got Senator McCain's aide to come on I

410
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mean she got really emotional at one

411
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point like almost in tears saying this

412
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guy's a veteran we need to help him it's

413
00:18:04,590 --> 00:18:01,170
directly connected to this UFO event so

414
00:18:06,810 --> 00:18:04,600
that was really interesting

415
00:18:08,940 --> 00:18:06,820
I was a little disappointed to be honest

416
00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:08,950
that they spent so much time on the

417
00:18:13,290 --> 00:18:11,770
Rendlesham case because it they made it

418
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sound and they did this a lot in this

419
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episode like what they were bringing

420
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forward was like the very first time and

421
00:18:24,030 --> 00:18:20,950
we know that isn't true I mean the Larry

422
00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:24,040
Gesner case the Rendlesham case I had

423
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issue with that in this episode and I'm

424
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sure we'll talk about the last episode

425
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of cases that were you know sort of

426
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swept under the rug for a while and and

427
00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:37,270
it kind of seems like this TV show is

428
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making it out to be some huge bomb show

429
00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:42,880
and mostly all of this stuff at least us

430
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:44,710
in the ortho field already knew and

431
00:18:49,500 --> 00:18:47,170
that's kind of my overall thoughts on

432
00:18:52,620 --> 00:18:49,510
the entire six-part series or eight

433
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:52,630
person whatever six-part series but yeah

434
00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:54,640
I love Rendlesham I think they covered

435
00:18:58,050 --> 00:18:55,510
it really well

436
00:18:59,930 --> 00:18:58,060
I just wish they had focused on some

437
00:19:02,670 --> 00:18:59,940
other cases there's so many other

438
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,680
interesting nuclear cases out there that

439
00:19:05,850 --> 00:19:04,480
was for me too

440
00:19:08,910 --> 00:19:05,860
like one of the most frustrating parts

441
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:08,920
and obviously we we all know and have

442
00:19:12,780 --> 00:19:11,050
met all these people and have spoke you

443
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:12,790
know Colonel halt and John burrows and

444
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:15,490
spoke with them extensively at length

445
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:18,850
and it's so frustrating so here it

446
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:21,490
presented like always made this

447
00:19:29,070 --> 00:19:25,690
connection between nuclear bases and

448
00:19:31,380 --> 00:19:29,080
weapons and the UFOs and I get it Stevie

449
00:19:33,210 --> 00:19:31,390
that's what they do but yes that was

450
00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:33,220
extremely frustrating so it's like that

451
00:19:35,910 --> 00:19:34,480
connection has been there that

452
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:35,920
everyone's been talking about for

453
00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:38,320
decades I mean we know about this yeah

454
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:40,630
and duration of sightings here's another

455
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:42,490
thing to that I guess this is more of a

456
00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:44,410
comment and we'll get to this later but

457
00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:49,240
of this series overall but with with how

458
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,150
they approached Rendlesham like and how

459
00:19:57,090 --> 00:19:54,720
they're presenting these cases is like

460
00:19:59,490 --> 00:19:57,100
something new or something they're just

461
00:20:02,670 --> 00:19:59,500
discovering or kind of trying to present

462
00:20:05,130 --> 00:20:02,680
it it seems like their audience overall

463
00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:05,140
is people who aren't familiar with this

464
00:20:09,180 --> 00:20:07,390
topic right because anybody who is

465
00:20:10,650 --> 00:20:09,190
already familiar with these cases this

466
00:20:10,890 --> 00:20:10,660
isn't earth-shattering or anything like

467
00:20:16,860 --> 00:20:10,900
that

468
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:16,870
way they with Rendlesham and I have to

469
00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:17,730
step back when I

470
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so stuff and try to try to view it as

471
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somebody who's not in this field who

472
00:20:24,530 --> 00:20:22,500
doesn't know the people who were on the

473
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screen not familiar with the story and

474
00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:26,070
think of it how are they presenting this

475
00:20:31,540 --> 00:20:28,110
story you know how was the storytelling

476
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:31,550
and what a new person just watching this

477
00:20:35,810 --> 00:20:33,810
understand the story or you know what

478
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:35,820
are they getting from it and they really

479
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:39,120
didn't explain the Rendlesham incident I

480
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mean it was sort of spotty and all over

481
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the place and and even the McCain thing

482
00:20:49,550 --> 00:20:46,590
like they mentioned John McCain they

483
00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:49,560
mentioned that you know he helped but

484
00:20:53,630 --> 00:20:52,110
and then presented the aid and said the

485
00:20:55,930 --> 00:20:53,640
aid you know filed his paperwork but

486
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,940
they didn't really explain exactly like

487
00:21:00,650 --> 00:20:58,320
John McCain got involved what the issue

488
00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:00,660
was what the outcome was like it was

489
00:21:03,410 --> 00:21:02,580
just kind of let's throw John McCain's

490
00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:03,420
name yeh

491
00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:05,820
damn it was it was really confusing I

492
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:07,110
mean I was confused to somebody who's

493
00:21:10,490 --> 00:21:08,820
familiar with the story so I think

494
00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:10,500
somebody new coming into it would be

495
00:21:15,290 --> 00:21:13,110
like wait a second what's going on yeah

496
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,300
it's like they tried to throw everything

497
00:21:21,050 --> 00:21:17,520
the baby in with the bathwater with this

498
00:21:22,670 --> 00:21:21,060
one like it covers so much and it should

499
00:21:25,910 --> 00:21:22,680
have been its own series to be

500
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:25,920
completely honest sure sure and yeah

501
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:30,210
this this one seemed forced to me like

502
00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:32,010
you mentioned morning with trying to

503
00:21:38,450 --> 00:21:34,500
force that nuclear connection right

504
00:21:42,050 --> 00:21:38,460
because we are familiar with the many

505
00:21:44,660 --> 00:21:42,060
cases of UFOs and proximity to news like

506
00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:44,670
we know that people can research that

507
00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:46,020
and find plenty of information about

508
00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:47,550
that a lot of good books have been

509
00:21:53,630 --> 00:21:49,110
written specifically about that topic

510
00:21:56,660 --> 00:21:53,640
however I don't like the message that

511
00:21:59,180 --> 00:21:56,670
that's really sending that you know UFOs

512
00:22:01,670 --> 00:21:59,190
we're just discovering this and and UFOs

513
00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:01,680
are only interested in our nukes and

514
00:22:05,900 --> 00:22:03,390
they're following the aircraft carriers

515
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:05,910
because they're nuclear-powered and so

516
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:07,890
this is a thing like UFOs are here

517
00:22:12,050 --> 00:22:10,410
because of nukes well what about the

518
00:22:12,590 --> 00:22:12,060
millions of other sightings that happen

519
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:12,600
all the time

520
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:15,600
right so that was just really I don't

521
00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:17,850
know I didn't like that it's just a

522
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:19,470
small facet of the whole picture

523
00:22:25,670 --> 00:22:23,700
basically and and yeah I think again we

524
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,680
have this problem where all of us are

525
00:22:30,050 --> 00:22:28,080
immersed in this field and we've done a

526
00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:30,060
ton of research and we know all this but

527
00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:31,030
this show

528
00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:33,910
is for the general public to be slowly

529
00:22:41,010 --> 00:22:37,720
introduced in a credible way to the fact

530
00:22:44,010 --> 00:22:41,020
that we do have unexplained flying

531
00:22:47,610 --> 00:22:44,020
objects and submersible objects flying

532
00:22:51,060 --> 00:22:47,620
around diving into water that we do not

533
00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:51,070
know their origin and I think for us

534
00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:53,710
it's like ok we got a look at the story

535
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:55,990
they're telling except that they're

536
00:23:00,780 --> 00:22:57,850
trying to be like oh this is a big

537
00:23:03,690 --> 00:23:00,790
reveal when for us it's it's old news

538
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:03,700
yeah and it's really really hard to do

539
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:05,410
it but you know most of us have been

540
00:23:09,410 --> 00:23:07,330
through the TV production thing we know

541
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:09,420
how that goes how editing goes and

542
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:13,530
that's what you have to do it but

543
00:23:18,090 --> 00:23:15,970
watching it yeah it was extremely

544
00:23:19,980 --> 00:23:18,100
frustrating episode 5 was Rober off for

545
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:19,990
me yeah yeah I would say it's probably

546
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,410
the roughest one for me so far but I

547
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:25,840
know it's really hard for us to separate

548
00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:27,850
these these thoughts with the episode

549
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:30,520
versus the entire series so let's move

550
00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:32,890
on to the finale really quickly episode

551
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:34,990
6 Maureen you want to give us a quick

552
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,530
synopsis of that episode yeah quick

553
00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:40,720
synopsis should I get like can I get

554
00:23:46,820 --> 00:23:42,910
like a drumroll first should get going

555
00:23:51,780 --> 00:23:46,830
here it's a finale I ruined your thing

556
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:51,790
and I'm a drummer so ready I also play

557
00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:54,610
drum so you should talk sometime alright

558
00:23:59,640 --> 00:23:57,070
you steer at least alright so the planet

559
00:24:01,440 --> 00:23:59,650
band yeah let's get into the final

560
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:01,450
episode of the premiere season of

561
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:05,110
unidentified basically we start at this

562
00:24:12,210 --> 00:24:09,730
really like reality TV show emotional

563
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:12,220
moment where Lou's packing his stuff

564
00:24:17,910 --> 00:24:15,490
into his bag is a backpack we see so

565
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,920
many times in his closet and he's

566
00:24:22,350 --> 00:24:19,840
talking about how much he's given up for

567
00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:22,360
his family to do this you know I gave up

568
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:24,760
everything my wife and my daughters are

569
00:24:31,050 --> 00:24:28,000
on the you know kind of the cautious end

570
00:24:33,810 --> 00:24:31,060
of this and I believe in this and this

571
00:24:35,730 --> 00:24:33,820
is what I feel I'm meant to do right now

572
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:35,740
because there's something wrong with the

573
00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:37,570
way things are happening in the

574
00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:41,260
government right now so he's packing for

575
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:44,350
a private meeting with some top

576
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:47,970
senior Italian brass which includes

577
00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:51,490
Lieutenant Colonel Claire Bruno Verducci

578
00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:53,980
oh I believe his name and of course our

579
00:25:00,720 --> 00:24:57,419
buddy dr. Roberto Pino D who's amazing

580
00:25:03,630 --> 00:25:00,730
great guy anyways they all get together

581
00:25:07,169 --> 00:25:03,640
in Italy and have a conversation about

582
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:07,179
how they can share information and

583
00:25:13,649 --> 00:25:10,960
what's going on in the Italian Colonels

584
00:25:15,210 --> 00:25:13,659
basically reveal this even though I'll

585
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:15,220
go into this it's the same thing we've

586
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:17,890
known about this event already this

587
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:20,169
event that Lou says oh this is strange

588
00:25:25,470 --> 00:25:21,610
it's the first time I've heard about a

589
00:25:28,350 --> 00:25:25,480
hostile UFO event this is an incident

590
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:28,360
that happened in 2004 in Sicily Italy

591
00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:30,970
and basically what happened was all

592
00:25:36,380 --> 00:25:33,460
these mysterious fires were breaking out

593
00:25:39,299 --> 00:25:36,390
in Sicily and nobody knew what they were

594
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,309
what was causing them there were a lot

595
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:41,440
of really mysterious situations around

596
00:25:47,820 --> 00:25:45,250
this and eventually they sent a

597
00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:47,830
helicopter out to sort of look around

598
00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:50,440
it's a military helicopter and a UFO

599
00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:53,500
followed it a saucer-shaped UFO there

600
00:25:59,279 --> 00:25:56,230
are images caught that civilians

601
00:26:02,279 --> 00:25:59,289
captured of this happening that

602
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:02,289
allegedly shot a beam out like a

603
00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:06,880
solidified beam that damaged the rotors

604
00:26:11,850 --> 00:26:08,620
of the helicopter and the helicopter was

605
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:11,860
forced to land everyone was ok but they

606
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:13,929
have images of the damaged rotor as well

607
00:26:20,010 --> 00:26:16,090
and then there was some other

608
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,020
information about the UFO sending some

609
00:26:26,610 --> 00:26:22,960
sort of energy weapon beams from like

610
00:26:28,830 --> 00:26:26,620
electromagnetic beams from the ocean so

611
00:26:34,169 --> 00:26:28,840
again we're getting that tie in with the

612
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:34,179
submersibles and also in flight and it's

613
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:38,080
weird so this is you get kind of little

614
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:39,610
pieces of the conversation they're

615
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:43,360
having and some who is kind of confusing

616
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,289
of what they were actually trying to put

617
00:26:51,299 --> 00:26:49,360
forward especially since the lieutenant

618
00:26:55,950 --> 00:26:51,309
commander could not stop smiling the

619
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,960
whole time anyways he kind of dropped

620
00:27:01,620 --> 00:26:58,240
the line that they may have figured out

621
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:01,630
a way to communicate with this craft to

622
00:27:09,450 --> 00:27:06,130
explain to them that they understood the

623
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:09,460
technology they had it was I don't we

624
00:27:13,649 --> 00:27:12,010
can get into that later but it's

625
00:27:17,730 --> 00:27:13,659
interesting because then they went and

626
00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:17,740
asked Lou has the US government tried to

627
00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:20,169
communicate with whoever could be

628
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:23,860
piloting piloting these crafts and of

629
00:27:29,460 --> 00:27:27,210
course he says I can't answer that which

630
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:29,470
does he know the answer or does he not

631
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:31,929
it's one of those things but anyways so

632
00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:35,700
at the end of this meeting which again

633
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:39,280
I'm a little confused at why Chris melon

634
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,530
wasn't at this meeting and instead Lou

635
00:27:46,529 --> 00:27:43,840
and Tom were there I feel like Chris

636
00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:46,539
melon would have been very well

637
00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:48,940
appointed to be at this meeting but they

638
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,679
agreed to form a global partnership

639
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:53,440
outside of the government official

640
00:28:00,060 --> 00:27:56,110
studies because things you know need to

641
00:28:02,970 --> 00:28:00,070
be shared and the Italians give us a

642
00:28:06,419 --> 00:28:02,980
nice little thumb drive that had every

643
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:06,429
single report they had from 1901 on of

644
00:28:10,260 --> 00:28:07,450
you APs

645
00:28:14,490 --> 00:28:10,270
including photos the briefing of the -

646
00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:14,500
of 2004 event everything all their

647
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:18,840
information and what did we give them

648
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:21,720
there should be cricket noises right now

649
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:25,510
yeah I mean basically they said well you

650
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:28,240
know we can't give you because at first

651
00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:29,880
they said if we give you something

652
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:32,830
restricted you need to give us back some

653
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:35,530
also restricted information like this of

654
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:39,039
the same weight and lose like well

655
00:28:45,539 --> 00:28:43,210
probably not so I don't know I sure a

656
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:45,549
lot went on that was clipped obviously

657
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:47,710
to be a short meeting right but it was

658
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,289
multiple hours but it sounded like they

659
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:52,240
were being very forthcoming and sharing

660
00:28:59,610 --> 00:28:55,330
this information and they state how

661
00:29:02,460 --> 00:28:59,620
important it is for governments around

662
00:29:04,889 --> 00:29:02,470
the world to share information because

663
00:29:05,490 --> 00:29:04,899
without sharing this information it's

664
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:05,500
useless

665
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:06,210
yeah and I

666
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:08,340
that's an extremely important point and

667
00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:12,570
it's true so and I get the I get the the

668
00:29:17,660 --> 00:29:14,550
fact that it might be for in technology

669
00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:17,670
but anyways so we move on we've talked

670
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:21,350
to Steve justice and again this is where

671
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:24,840
Shane kind of said this as well that Lou

672
00:29:30,650 --> 00:29:27,330
says you know it's either ours it's

673
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:30,660
foreign or it's something else and you

674
00:29:39,620 --> 00:29:35,600
can see how Steve justice kind of is

675
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:39,630
processing this stuff and says well you

676
00:29:44,420 --> 00:29:41,820
know Lou asked him how he'd feel if it

677
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:44,430
was extraterrestrial and he said I'm

678
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:47,730
really really hesitant to go there

679
00:29:52,790 --> 00:29:49,740
because it opens up such a can of worms

680
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:52,800
and he said but we'd be naive the same

681
00:29:57,820 --> 00:29:55,140
sentence we all say we'd be naive to

682
00:30:01,520 --> 00:29:57,830
think we're the only ones out there and

683
00:30:03,380 --> 00:30:01,530
it's a legit possibility that that this

684
00:30:06,170 --> 00:30:03,390
could be something else you know we

685
00:30:10,510 --> 00:30:06,180
don't know and they talked about how in

686
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:10,520
2019 again we have a Senator McCain

687
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,290
contribution to the field where he was

688
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:15,600
the one behind the release of the 37

689
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:18,930
studies that a tip was conducting that

690
00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:21,600
involved invisibility cloaks and

691
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:24,180
wormholes and anti-gravity and all sorts

692
00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:28,140
of fun crazy science fiction stuff and

693
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:31,070
it's it's really crazy to think about so

694
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:36,360
at this point we have that and Chris

695
00:30:42,770 --> 00:30:38,910
Mellon going to Vegas to meet you know

696
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:42,780
former Senator Harry Reid who was you

697
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:44,610
know the driving force behind a tip

698
00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:48,330
getting that launched and basically

699
00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:51,660
Mellon is talent in him probably

700
00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:53,480
everything he already knows but for TV

701
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:56,760
on all the research they've done so far

702
00:31:00,680 --> 00:30:58,140
and all the people they have talked to

703
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:00,690
and what's happened with these different

704
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:04,080
incidents and how many different objects

705
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:07,170
were cited and how they are transversing

706
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:10,070
you know it's not only following around

707
00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:14,480
airstrike planes and missions they're

708
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,950
traversing the Atlantic to the Middle

709
00:31:23,070 --> 00:31:19,120
East they were in Syria

710
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:23,080
and in all over the place and so one

711
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,570
quote I really liked from Harry Reid

712
00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:27,760
here was he said people who run from

713
00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:31,540
this are absolutely wrong and that's a

714
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:35,020
very very good point because why are we

715
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:36,370
running from something that is

716
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:41,770
potentially hostile and he then starts

717
00:31:46,350 --> 00:31:44,290
talking about KGB and Putin and says

718
00:31:48,810 --> 00:31:46,360
Russia there's no way they don't have

719
00:31:50,820 --> 00:31:48,820
more information and are not further in

720
00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:50,830
research and studying what the hell is

721
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:54,670
going on than us and it's kind of crazy

722
00:32:01,890 --> 00:31:58,690
so I think they kind of wrapped up the

723
00:32:05,970 --> 00:32:01,900
episode talking about Bigelow and then

724
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:05,980
you know as and how Bigelow was certain

725
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:08,290
it was extraterrestrial life and they

726
00:32:12,810 --> 00:32:10,090
kind of they're tossing this idea around

727
00:32:15,380 --> 00:32:12,820
now they've been very like what do they

728
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:15,390
say pussyfooting around this idea of

729
00:32:20,010 --> 00:32:18,070
could this be extraterrestrial life and

730
00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:20,020
they they talked to an astrophysicist

731
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:22,660
and he kind of talks about how many

732
00:32:29,610 --> 00:32:24,910
planets are how many could be habitable

733
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:29,620
and all this stuff and then they wrap up

734
00:32:36,390 --> 00:32:32,640
by Tom and Lew having the emotional

735
00:32:40,590 --> 00:32:36,400
encounter that Shea mentioned talking

736
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:40,600
about the Navy officially changing their

737
00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:42,910
reporting process and and this is a big

738
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:47,920
thing and Tom is very much under the

739
00:32:56,130 --> 00:32:51,010
fact of I worked so hard and to see

740
00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:56,140
things actually changing is great you

741
00:33:02,460 --> 00:32:58,020
know there were a couple other meetings

742
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:02,470
with official insiders and and whatnot

743
00:33:09,210 --> 00:33:06,730
but uh that's a basic that was a long

744
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:09,220
wrap-up of the basic finale you know

745
00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:11,050
then we have the that I think the

746
00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:14,380
cliffhanger last scene which one where

747
00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:16,660
loose stands out and walks away where

748
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:18,760
they say do you think the public can

749
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:21,130
handle the truth yes sorry sorry that

750
00:33:25,890 --> 00:33:23,710
final quote yeah yeah that was the one

751
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:25,900
moment where I was like in the middle of

752
00:33:30,899 --> 00:33:28,810
a really quiet room and I was listening

753
00:33:34,109 --> 00:33:30,909
on my headphones and I just went oh

754
00:33:37,619 --> 00:33:34,119
I loved it I loved that last moment

755
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:37,629
there's a TV moment yeah it's such a TV

756
00:33:42,989 --> 00:33:40,210
moment I know and so maybe I just left

757
00:33:46,469 --> 00:33:42,999
that off for that reason I was like well

758
00:33:48,509 --> 00:33:46,479
you know yeah ya know that's a good

759
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:48,519
point though morning like there were so

760
00:33:54,029 --> 00:33:50,409
much in these last two episodes it felt

761
00:33:56,669 --> 00:33:54,039
so rushed like clearly clearly we know

762
00:33:58,379 --> 00:33:56,679
what this whole season was about and I

763
00:34:00,180 --> 00:33:58,389
won't get ahead of any of what we're

764
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,190
doing here in terms of like the overall

765
00:34:05,219 --> 00:34:03,039
perception of this project but like it's

766
00:34:07,769 --> 00:34:05,229
clear they have an agenda in mind with

767
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:07,779
what they're doing and that was not any

768
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:09,609
more obvious than in these last two

769
00:34:15,980 --> 00:34:13,839
episodes I feel yeah Shane did you have

770
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:15,990
any thoughts on on the final episode

771
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:21,609
yeah the I wasn't that thrilled with the

772
00:34:26,099 --> 00:34:24,129
whole Italian connection and the meeting

773
00:34:28,919 --> 00:34:26,109
and and all of that in that case in

774
00:34:30,899 --> 00:34:28,929
particular but and it was weird how like

775
00:34:33,629 --> 00:34:30,909
I was just had that weird smile this way

776
00:34:36,359 --> 00:34:33,639
the whole time but yes again I get it's

777
00:34:38,609 --> 00:34:36,369
probably editing and and like marine

778
00:34:41,399 --> 00:34:38,619
mention there's probably hours meeting

779
00:34:43,230 --> 00:34:41,409
not not five minutes wrong and also it

780
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:43,240
got you've got a camera crew there it's

781
00:34:46,349 --> 00:34:44,770
fun like the guy is probably smiling

782
00:34:50,849 --> 00:34:46,359
saying yeah I'm on TV

783
00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:50,859
yeah exactly I mean yeah we I've heard

784
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:52,750
from several people that a lot of these

785
00:34:57,779 --> 00:34:55,599
individuals they met with are a little

786
00:35:01,079 --> 00:34:57,789
controversial and less than credible

787
00:35:03,450 --> 00:35:01,089
sure so I I do i I do find it a little

788
00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:03,460
disheartening that they built this up to

789
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:05,260
be some super important meeting with

790
00:35:10,890 --> 00:35:08,710
some high highly credible officials and

791
00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:10,900
scientists and government people when in

792
00:35:16,109 --> 00:35:12,940
reality these people have kind of been

793
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:16,119
known for some dubious things in Italy

794
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:19,150
so the fact that Elizondo didn't know

795
00:35:23,849 --> 00:35:21,130
that or didn't want to broach that topic

796
00:35:27,210 --> 00:35:23,859
it makes me a little wary moving forward

797
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:27,220
I'm not gonna lie we'll go ahead just

798
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:31,119
one quick thing is was this trip the

799
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:33,849
same one that they did where Lou ended

800
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:36,400
up showing all the was at Maier photos

801
00:35:40,260 --> 00:35:39,190
or whatever yeah he faked is they

802
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:40,270
wouldn't yes they went there for a

803
00:35:44,279 --> 00:35:41,650
conference - yeah

804
00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:44,289
so that's and you know that was a big

805
00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:46,660
controversial thing and I think that's

806
00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:49,240
why I was saying during my recap like

807
00:35:56,670 --> 00:35:51,240
why the hell didn't they send Mellon

808
00:35:58,589 --> 00:35:56,680
yeah think that maybe maybe they must

809
00:36:00,989 --> 00:35:58,599
have filmed that a really really long

810
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:00,999
time ago oh yeah well I mean that was

811
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:03,490
just I think that was only what a year

812
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:06,430
or two ago I mean I think a year time

813
00:36:11,279 --> 00:36:09,609
flies but yeah seeing pieces bits and

814
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:11,289
pieces where they've filmed

815
00:36:16,859 --> 00:36:13,569
stuff that we've then been briefed about

816
00:36:19,019 --> 00:36:16,869
already clearly to where it then it's

817
00:36:20,789 --> 00:36:19,029
making it into the TV show but it was

818
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:20,799
already public knowledge that this kind

819
00:36:26,910 --> 00:36:23,710
of stuff was happening so here's I guess

820
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:26,920
two things that I want to talk about on

821
00:36:30,839 --> 00:36:28,420
this episode and I will move to our

822
00:36:32,849 --> 00:36:30,849
overall opinions of the series or

823
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:32,859
thoughts on the series but in both

824
00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:35,680
episode 5 and 6 there was something

825
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:39,700
major that I noticed with Lu's going to

826
00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:42,640
visit people and that is he didn't bring

827
00:36:48,989 --> 00:36:46,630
his giant backpack no he packed it that

828
00:36:50,309 --> 00:36:48,999
was the opening right no he packed it

829
00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:50,319
but when you see him going into people's

830
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:52,630
houses to meet people he didn't have his

831
00:36:56,789 --> 00:36:55,089
backpack I noticed that too

832
00:37:02,579 --> 00:36:56,799
yes yeah I realized what a pain in the

833
00:37:05,370 --> 00:37:02,589
ass right if you like busted it out and

834
00:37:09,329 --> 00:37:05,380
just to put the thumb drive and do it

835
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:09,339
yes would be amazing I know where I'm

836
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:14,380
putting this in my backpack that I

837
00:37:19,259 --> 00:37:17,890
really hope that at least they gave them

838
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:19,269
something in return

839
00:37:25,739 --> 00:37:23,410
no I thought that was actually bizarre

840
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:25,749
I'm glad you brought it up it's weird

841
00:37:32,099 --> 00:37:29,200
that they the the guy said hey if you

842
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:32,109
you know if we show you the hours you're

843
00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:34,390
gonna show us or yours right yeah I mean

844
00:37:38,220 --> 00:37:37,180
that whole thing and then you shut that

845
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:38,230
down no sorry

846
00:37:43,019 --> 00:37:40,630
and then they're driving off with you

847
00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:43,029
know thirteen thousand cases and the the

848
00:37:48,779 --> 00:37:45,670
Italians entire record of their UFO

849
00:37:51,630 --> 00:37:48,789
activity I mean I again maybe editing

850
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:51,640
but that just seemed really odd to me

851
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:54,730
you know yes I you know I don't I don't

852
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:55,030
know

853
00:37:58,890 --> 00:37:57,370
just like who the hell would want to

854
00:38:02,130 --> 00:37:58,900
work with us if we're gonna hang that

855
00:38:04,890 --> 00:38:02,140
right yeah here's like big bad us that's

856
00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:04,900
right we're doing something different

857
00:38:07,830 --> 00:38:06,700
than the US government but hey we're

858
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:07,840
gonna operate just like the US

859
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:12,010
government give us the info we're gonna

860
00:38:17,730 --> 00:38:14,770
we're gonna be cool and take all your

861
00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:17,740
info but yeah we're better than you so

862
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,660
you can't have any but here's the thing

863
00:38:24,210 --> 00:38:21,520
to keep in TV in mind we could probably

864
00:38:29,730 --> 00:38:24,220
reach out to Pineau T and he'd probably

865
00:38:31,740 --> 00:38:29,740
send us that same file because other and

866
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:31,750
I think maybe that was the most

867
00:38:38,250 --> 00:38:35,290
important part of this international

868
00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:38,260
meeting was stressing that international

869
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,060
governments actually have official

870
00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:41,680
programs that are public and they do

871
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:43,630
share and release information when they

872
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:47,440
can and we need to be better about that

873
00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:52,150
so why are we so secretive about

874
00:38:57,450 --> 00:38:55,240
everything when everyone else is doing

875
00:39:00,060 --> 00:38:57,460
something that will benefit humanity

876
00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:00,070
like they said again all this

877
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:02,740
information is useless if we don't share

878
00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:06,910
it with other countries again yes I get

879
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,300
the whole idea of that this could be a

880
00:39:14,340 --> 00:39:11,920
foreign technology and we need to be

881
00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:14,350
careful or our own and not reveal too

882
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:17,140
much but there is stuff outside of that

883
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:20,770
that we can share without being a threat

884
00:39:26,820 --> 00:39:24,160
to our national security so if we're not

885
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:26,830
sharing those types of things then what

886
00:39:31,460 --> 00:39:29,230
the hell are we doing yeah yeah maybe

887
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:31,470
the show they were just trying to to

888
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:35,110
reflect that the UFO phenomenon is

889
00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:37,990
global and that other governments are

890
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:40,390
doing something and maybe maybe in a way

891
00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:41,410
what they're saying to our own

892
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:43,480
governments hey look another government

893
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:46,240
is perfectly willing to pony up all of

894
00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:47,010
its data

895
00:39:54,690 --> 00:39:49,990
maybe you should loosen your grip USA I

896
00:39:57,570 --> 00:39:54,700
don't know no no no no here's a comment

897
00:39:59,550 --> 00:39:57,580
I have on the series overall and I mean

898
00:40:01,980 --> 00:39:59,560
watching these episodes and you know

899
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:01,990
with that point of like them making it a

900
00:40:07,890 --> 00:40:05,530
point to say oh we just figured out that

901
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:07,900
the UFO phenomenon is a global one

902
00:40:13,529 --> 00:40:11,440
or oh we just figured out that there's a

903
00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:13,539
might be a nuclear connection to UFOs

904
00:40:17,730 --> 00:40:15,160
because there are lots of UFO cases

905
00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:17,740
around nukes it reminds me of watching

906
00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:20,230
anyone just diving into the UFO subject

907
00:40:24,930 --> 00:40:23,380
for the first time and I mean I said

908
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:24,940
that from that one of the first public

909
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:27,130
appearance as we saw with Lou Elizondo

910
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:28,720
you know what the MUFON symposium or

911
00:40:32,010 --> 00:40:30,460
whatever where he was sort of pandering

912
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:32,020
in my opinion and telling people you

913
00:40:36,329 --> 00:40:33,849
know you were right all along

914
00:40:39,779 --> 00:40:36,339
you know after he just figured that out

915
00:40:41,609 --> 00:40:39,789
that UFOs exist it seems like what it is

916
00:40:43,470 --> 00:40:41,619
somebody just getting into looking into

917
00:40:45,779 --> 00:40:43,480
UFOs for the first time and realizing oh

918
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:45,789
wow there are a lot of UFOs out there a

919
00:40:52,890 --> 00:40:48,250
lot of people see UFOs military sees

920
00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:52,900
UFOs what's going on people tell us yeah

921
00:40:59,099 --> 00:40:56,430
I mean it's presenting this information

922
00:41:00,660 --> 00:40:59,109
again like it's the first time and I

923
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:00,670
don't have a problem with that look I

924
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,849
think because this show is for people

925
00:41:07,470 --> 00:41:05,680
who aren't familiar with these topics

926
00:41:09,329 --> 00:41:07,480
and don't research it and study it like

927
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:09,339
we do I think that's great

928
00:41:14,250 --> 00:41:12,010
but you know I think the execution might

929
00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:14,260
need a little work and you know I

930
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:16,270
personally I think the episodes work

931
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:18,609
better as 30-minute episodes because the

932
00:41:23,579 --> 00:41:21,130
hour I mean they have about 10 to 15

933
00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:23,589
minutes worth of content in my opinion

934
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,660
they need each episode because like

935
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:27,520
every five minutes they're doing a recap

936
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:29,470
of what they already showed us in or a

937
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:30,910
recap of what they already showed us in

938
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:33,130
the previous episodes or they're telling

939
00:41:36,779 --> 00:41:34,390
us what's coming up in the next five

940
00:41:39,390 --> 00:41:36,789
minutes like you hear the same thing

941
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:39,400
over and over and over again yeah every

942
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:41,170
episode has gone back to like Episode

943
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:43,990
one in episode 2 of a favor and and the

944
00:41:48,359 --> 00:41:46,089
wingman pilot and you noticed all these

945
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,369
same clips over and over and over and

946
00:41:52,620 --> 00:41:50,079
yell dude you have these hour-long

947
00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:52,630
episodes you've only got six episodes

948
00:41:56,579 --> 00:41:54,940
and like the ending on these felt rushed

949
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:56,589
they don't need to be rushed because

950
00:42:00,359 --> 00:41:58,450
they've got so much time they could fill

951
00:42:02,849 --> 00:42:00,369
with content but it's all just like

952
00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:02,859
rehashing over and over yeah the same

953
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:04,660
stuff and setting up what's coming up

954
00:42:09,329 --> 00:42:07,089
when one thing I forgot to mention that

955
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:09,339
I think was also kind of an important

956
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:12,970
little comment in the last episode was

957
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:16,690
when melon was with Harry Reid and he

958
00:42:20,829 --> 00:42:19,730
asked him about the extra-terrestrial

959
00:42:24,269 --> 00:42:20,839
[Music]

960
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:24,279
Chenin topic and whether he feels it's

961
00:42:33,069 --> 00:42:29,890
similar to what Bob Bigelow thinks and

962
00:42:36,099 --> 00:42:33,079
Reid said basically he thought it would

963
00:42:39,549 --> 00:42:36,109
affect his credibility right if he says

964
00:42:43,180 --> 00:42:39,559
something about everything he knows and

965
00:42:45,759 --> 00:42:43,190
he basically alluded to a statement

966
00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:45,769
knowing something about extraterrestrial

967
00:42:54,910 --> 00:42:50,390
life right and it sounded like he was

968
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:54,920
kind of alluding to the fact that this

969
00:43:00,279 --> 00:42:57,920
could be very alien in nature right I

970
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:00,289
could be wrong but that was the way it

971
00:43:03,609 --> 00:43:01,089
sounded

972
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:03,619
yeah no I got that same same impression

973
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:05,089
from what he was saying I think that's

974
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:08,690
what he was alluding to me too which is

975
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:12,529
strange I mean you know I get excited

976
00:43:16,829 --> 00:43:14,569
when I hear things like that and you

977
00:43:21,099 --> 00:43:16,839
know he is certainly an incredibly

978
00:43:23,799 --> 00:43:21,109
important person he's I think you know

979
00:43:27,339 --> 00:43:23,809
he's a trustworthy guy probably very

980
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:27,349
credible but you know I have to remember

981
00:43:32,859 --> 00:43:29,630
and keep in mind that you know we see a

982
00:43:34,539 --> 00:43:32,869
lot of these old guys and you know he

983
00:43:38,229 --> 00:43:34,549
was looking both for my old pretty old

984
00:43:39,969 --> 00:43:38,239
on that episode but you know it reminds

985
00:43:42,729 --> 00:43:39,979
me of Paul Hellyer it really does when

986
00:43:46,089 --> 00:43:42,739
when this kind of stuff happens and he's

987
00:43:49,089 --> 00:43:46,099
you know important people who had

988
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:49,099
high-ranking government positions start

989
00:43:55,479 --> 00:43:52,609
saying this stuff in public making some

990
00:43:57,579 --> 00:43:55,489
pretty incredible claims and the source

991
00:43:59,950 --> 00:43:57,589
of those claims are what people have

992
00:44:02,049 --> 00:43:59,960
told them not anything that they you

993
00:44:04,450 --> 00:44:02,059
know found out personally in their

994
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:04,460
official capacity or anything but as

995
00:44:08,170 --> 00:44:06,410
they got older they started you know as

996
00:44:10,690 --> 00:44:08,180
old people do start listening to stories

997
00:44:13,299 --> 00:44:10,700
and they have no reason to not believe

998
00:44:15,219 --> 00:44:13,309
the stories being told to them so like

999
00:44:17,799 --> 00:44:15,229
Paul Hellyer reading a lot of books and

1000
00:44:19,959 --> 00:44:17,809
talking to friends and stuff like got

1001
00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:19,969
these ideas that are all sorts of aliens

1002
00:44:26,709 --> 00:44:23,630
here so I wonder if that's partially

1003
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:26,719
true with Senator Reid and he's even

1004
00:44:31,930 --> 00:44:28,670
said like he hasn't personally gone

1005
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:31,940
through you know the the reports from

1006
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:34,400
stuff that that a chip did

1007
00:44:39,590 --> 00:44:36,810
you know just had like staffers do it or

1008
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,600
something but like he's relying on third

1009
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:42,000
hand testimony and stories and stuff to

1010
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:43,770
form his opinions that's just my opinion

1011
00:44:47,570 --> 00:44:45,450
you know what do I know he could know

1012
00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:47,580
that you know and he hangs out with Bob

1013
00:44:49,850 --> 00:44:48,990
Bigelow which he probably does good

1014
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:49,860
they're buddies and they're both in

1015
00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:51,330
Vegas like maybe they hang out and have

1016
00:44:59,330 --> 00:44:55,830
parties with aliens so yeah I mean we

1017
00:45:03,200 --> 00:44:59,340
also know that I think the end the

1018
00:45:05,330 --> 00:45:03,210
cliffhanger are two was basically the

1019
00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:05,340
fact that the government still is

1020
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:08,460
running a project just because a tip is

1021
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:12,810
no longer officially quote-unquote

1022
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,330
running there was never a paper saying

1023
00:45:21,350 --> 00:45:18,720
it ended and that they basically Lew was

1024
00:45:24,730 --> 00:45:21,360
saying there for sure is still a

1025
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:24,740
multi-agency program going on now

1026
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:28,260
involving the study so and here's the

1027
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:30,540
interesting thing with that too that you

1028
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,210
know I'm keeping an eye on is you know

1029
00:45:37,850 --> 00:45:35,520
we know left his position and you know

1030
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:37,860
he says that there's you know some bad

1031
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:40,500
feelings still there because of his

1032
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:42,090
leaving his position and sort of

1033
00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:47,210
exposing what a tip was but to the Stars

1034
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:50,790
Academy is still like actively working

1035
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:54,000
and trying to enhance their partnerships

1036
00:46:00,890 --> 00:45:57,810
with the government and you know despite

1037
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,900
Lou saying these bad things about HF and

1038
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:02,160
leaving a tip because he was frustrated

1039
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:04,020
with it they're trying to work with them

1040
00:46:08,810 --> 00:46:05,850
and he's also saying that you know it's

1041
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:08,820
not just operated by one group now it's

1042
00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:12,410
spread out to you know be more effective

1043
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:15,630
so it sounds like that's a positive it

1044
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:17,190
sounds like they're they're able to do

1045
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:19,800
better work and get more answers but

1046
00:46:24,980 --> 00:46:22,230
still they're apparently not good

1047
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:24,990
so yeah well let's not forget the fact

1048
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:27,330
that that you know the gentleman that

1049
00:46:33,140 --> 00:46:29,700
came up and spoke to you guys after one

1050
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:33,150
of your panels at alien Con was very you

1051
00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:35,450
know they have to be approved these

1052
00:46:42,350 --> 00:46:38,670
these statements they're making have to

1053
00:46:44,330 --> 00:46:42,360
be approved by Martin defense so right I

1054
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:44,340
mean this is all going into the

1055
00:46:46,820 --> 00:46:46,170
conspiracy that all the people launched

1056
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:46,830
about whether

1057
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:49,530
or not this is slow disclosure whether

1058
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:52,500
this is kind of trickiness into a dhoti

1059
00:46:59,080 --> 00:46:56,130
like Paul bennewitz situation or or

1060
00:47:01,160 --> 00:46:59,090
what-have-you or some people think it's

1061
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:01,170
advertisement for the space forests that

1062
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:06,810
are or what have you very you know I

1063
00:47:11,570 --> 00:47:08,310
don't know I'm not reading too much into

1064
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:11,580
it but yeah I think the thing I sort of

1065
00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:14,010
took away from the last two episodes and

1066
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:17,640
I guess the whole thing is that I always

1067
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:19,890
come back to something jason said when

1068
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:22,500
the show I think was on its first

1069
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:25,770
episode and it just keeps driving home

1070
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:27,720
for me the fact that this is one

1071
00:47:32,810 --> 00:47:30,330
narrative and one angle to all of this

1072
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,820
and it's Tom DeLonge his narrative and

1073
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:35,040
to the stars and the people he's working

1074
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:36,780
with and I think it's important to

1075
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:39,030
remember that no matter what - the star

1076
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:41,130
says no matter what they came to in

1077
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:42,990
terms of conclusions which I don't think

1078
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:47,160
was anything that people all around the

1079
00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:48,930
world are having UFO sightings in

1080
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:51,000
reporting them and it weird experiences

1081
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,450
and that we should we should focus on

1082
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:56,880
that till the start is gonna be doing

1083
00:47:59,900 --> 00:47:58,410
this we know it's about the military we

1084
00:48:02,270 --> 00:47:59,910
know it's about a threat we know it's

1085
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:02,280
about building technology we didn't even

1086
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:03,960
see anything from the atom project

1087
00:48:08,810 --> 00:48:06,570
what's really disappointed me I know

1088
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:08,820
that's probably gonna be the most like

1089
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,970
the longest journey when it comes to the

1090
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:14,640
Stars is analysing metamaterials and

1091
00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:16,830
everything but I was really overall

1092
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:19,260
disappointed with the series but it was

1093
00:48:26,180 --> 00:48:23,880
so well done and so slick and so like it

1094
00:48:28,610 --> 00:48:26,190
was cool it was cool to watch the show

1095
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:28,620
play out and they had their own story

1096
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:30,930
but at the end of the day it taught me

1097
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:35,610
almost nothing except that Tom DeLonge

1098
00:48:42,140 --> 00:48:37,410
makes some pretty cool

1099
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:42,150
background music to write you know um I

1100
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:44,280
just curious what you guys think about

1101
00:48:51,980 --> 00:48:47,400
this you know um and we touched on a

1102
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:51,990
little bit obviously Lou and Chris and

1103
00:49:00,229 --> 00:48:55,170
Steve and and you know the the big names

1104
00:49:02,299 --> 00:49:00,239
in TTS a are not you know ufologist

1105
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:02,309
they're not historically knowledgeable

1106
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:06,329
about ufology I would say Thomas that

1107
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:09,569
Tom would be a but I don't know if they

1108
00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:11,579
have other people advising or not so

1109
00:49:17,479 --> 00:49:14,339
like kind of taking a swing and a Miss

1110
00:49:19,999 --> 00:49:17,489
on explaining Rendlesham for example or

1111
00:49:22,249 --> 00:49:20,009
some of these other cases or or missing

1112
00:49:25,999 --> 00:49:22,259
cases that might have made the point

1113
00:49:28,699 --> 00:49:26,009
better I I just I wonder is it because

1114
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:28,709
maybe they lack that perspective and I

1115
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,689
know I know you guys have said the show

1116
00:49:35,959 --> 00:49:33,839
is really you know geared toward the

1117
00:49:40,789 --> 00:49:35,969
person who's on not knowledgeable about

1118
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:40,799
UFOs but you know obviously the UFO

1119
00:49:44,749 --> 00:49:43,169
community is watching and is supportive

1120
00:49:46,879 --> 00:49:44,759
and at the same time they're critical

1121
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:46,889
and all those things but I just curious

1122
00:49:53,059 --> 00:49:49,049
if they really have the level of

1123
00:49:56,269 --> 00:49:53,069
knowledge of ufology in general and of

1124
00:49:58,249 --> 00:49:56,279
specific cases to really be able to you

1125
00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:58,259
know present it in in the most accurate

1126
00:50:03,769 --> 00:50:01,619
way yeah that's a good concern but you

1127
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:03,779
know I I think you know that's not

1128
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:08,249
really their focus and and again this is

1129
00:50:13,399 --> 00:50:10,649
just my opinion but you know you have

1130
00:50:17,889 --> 00:50:13,409
Lou who worked for a government UFO

1131
00:50:20,739 --> 00:50:17,899
project and you have Tom who is

1132
00:50:24,979 --> 00:50:20,749
extremely well read on this subject

1133
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:24,989
knows a whole lot about this subject but

1134
00:50:33,139 --> 00:50:29,729
also has his established beliefs and and

1135
00:50:36,799 --> 00:50:33,149
you know he has been very vocal in the

1136
00:50:39,259 --> 00:50:36,809
past about the narrative and motives and

1137
00:50:41,689 --> 00:50:39,269
everything that's going on he feels that

1138
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:41,699
you know he's got some of those answers

1139
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:45,049
and he feels that he's had some of these

1140
00:50:53,389 --> 00:50:48,569
beliefs of his confirmed by higher-ups

1141
00:50:55,779 --> 00:50:53,399
so I think for their party of people

1142
00:50:58,459 --> 00:50:55,789
they've established this group and

1143
00:51:01,459 --> 00:50:58,469
that's the knowledge and that's the

1144
00:51:03,769 --> 00:51:01,469
narrative they're going with they're

1145
00:51:05,649 --> 00:51:03,779
using a lot of resources they have to I

1146
00:51:08,779 --> 00:51:05,659
mean we know they're working with or

1147
00:51:12,839 --> 00:51:08,789
have worked with at some point a whole

1148
00:51:16,529 --> 00:51:14,370
I was just gonna say sometimes it's

1149
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,539
better not to have a panel of a whole

1150
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,400
bunch of people really well-versed in

1151
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:20,559
the UFO field especially when it comes

1152
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:23,920
down to testing trace evidence that's

1153
00:51:30,779 --> 00:51:27,839
extremely important because I always see

1154
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:30,789
every single time it's like oh we have

1155
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:32,410
this awesome piece of metal and this has

1156
00:51:35,999 --> 00:51:33,849
happened to projects I've been involved

1157
00:51:37,979 --> 00:51:36,009
in and we like we found this awesome lab

1158
00:51:40,259 --> 00:51:37,989
to do it these people are very credible

1159
00:51:43,469 --> 00:51:40,269
and then you find out it's like well all

1160
00:51:52,289 --> 00:51:43,479
these lab workers or members of MUFON

1161
00:51:55,289 --> 00:51:52,299
like yeah you know this is this is the

1162
00:51:59,130 --> 00:51:55,299
thing about TV - as I guarantee you all

1163
00:52:01,289 --> 00:51:59,140
the story producers spent quite a bit of

1164
00:52:02,849 --> 00:52:01,299
time researching each case doesn't mean

1165
00:52:05,849 --> 00:52:02,859
they know everything they'll miss stuff

1166
00:52:11,549 --> 00:52:05,859
but they're the ones that are sort of

1167
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:11,559
relaying the story and so get the Carl

1168
00:52:20,609 --> 00:52:17,049
Sagan quote yeah I should tell the

1169
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:20,619
viewers or listeners this because it

1170
00:52:27,150 --> 00:52:23,680
drove me crazy because as much as I love

1171
00:52:28,650 --> 00:52:27,160
Chris Mellon round two I mentioned this

1172
00:52:31,019 --> 00:52:28,660
the first time he said it I think in

1173
00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:31,029
Episode one he brings up the Carl Sagan

1174
00:52:43,309 --> 00:52:34,900
quote and he misquote sit again and I

1175
00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:43,319
texted these guys and I was like right

1176
00:52:50,249 --> 00:52:46,180
what we think guys overall Maureen what

1177
00:52:52,650 --> 00:52:50,259
do you think of the series I think they

1178
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:52,660
did a good job of making it seem like a

1179
00:52:58,979 --> 00:52:54,910
credible topic yeah I will say that

1180
00:53:01,979 --> 00:52:58,989
obviously that's my general opinion my

1181
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:01,989
overall personal opinion as a UFO

1182
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:04,150
researcher obviously like I said there

1183
00:53:09,059 --> 00:53:05,170
were times where I was extremely

1184
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:09,069
frustrated and annoyed and I had a lot

1185
00:53:16,529 --> 00:53:13,049
of other feelings but overall I will say

1186
00:53:19,529 --> 00:53:16,539
they brought it to a more credible level

1187
00:53:22,289 --> 00:53:19,539
for the general public and for that

1188
00:53:25,099 --> 00:53:22,299
reason hats off to them yeah absolutely

1189
00:53:26,730 --> 00:53:25,109
what about you Shane yeah I think

1190
00:53:31,020 --> 00:53:26,740
similarly

1191
00:53:35,310 --> 00:53:31,030
I think if their goal was to educate the

1192
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:35,320
general public on the importance of UFOs

1193
00:53:40,109 --> 00:53:37,510
in a relationship that has with the

1194
00:53:43,770 --> 00:53:40,119
military and bringing them along

1195
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:43,780
carefully and easily I think they they

1196
00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:45,910
did a pretty good job it was different

1197
00:53:53,010 --> 00:53:48,580
than any other UFO show it was less

1198
00:53:55,859 --> 00:53:53,020
entertainment more informational but you

1199
00:53:57,690 --> 00:53:55,869
know again from our perspective having

1200
00:54:00,240 --> 00:53:57,700
you know deeper knowledge on the subject

1201
00:54:02,670 --> 00:54:00,250
yeah it was a little frustrating but I

1202
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:02,680
think and the second piece if their goal

1203
00:54:10,589 --> 00:54:07,119
was also to use the show in combination

1204
00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:10,599
with their efforts in Washington DC to

1205
00:54:16,589 --> 00:54:14,320
generate interest and commentary from

1206
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:16,599
Congress in other words bring this thing

1207
00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:19,930
out of the fringe into a political arena

1208
00:54:23,790 --> 00:54:21,580
where it can be addressed which is

1209
00:54:25,710 --> 00:54:23,800
really what has to happen for disclosure

1210
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:25,720
in the first place they're the ones that

1211
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,450
control you know whether it's disclosing

1212
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:31,119
us I think they moved the needle forward

1213
00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:34,570
on that too as well so I think you know

1214
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,150
overall if they hit their target they

1215
00:54:43,290 --> 00:54:40,000
they wanted to I think they did and I

1216
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:43,300
think it you know was pretty impressive

1217
00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:44,770
and it was different than what we've

1218
00:54:49,980 --> 00:54:47,140
seen before so so in general I liked it

1219
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:49,990
yeah I did you and I agree with Ryan I

1220
00:54:55,550 --> 00:54:52,030
think it was a really slick show it was

1221
00:54:57,630 --> 00:54:55,560
it was a you know fun visually to watch

1222
00:55:00,300 --> 00:54:57,640
you're right Shane different than other

1223
00:55:02,490 --> 00:55:00,310
UFO shows and something we've talked

1224
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:02,500
about on a few of these episodes is just

1225
00:55:08,430 --> 00:55:05,290
how great it was to have there their

1226
00:55:10,170 --> 00:55:08,440
focus many times on D stigmatizing the

1227
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:10,180
topic that was really important really

1228
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:11,680
great to see how they kept harping on

1229
00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:12,160
that

1230
00:55:18,810 --> 00:55:15,940
but of course the show was primarily

1231
00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:18,820
focused on the military it did have that

1232
00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:20,980
narrative going and and certainly some

1233
00:55:24,570 --> 00:55:23,020
agendas there and that's one of the

1234
00:55:26,010 --> 00:55:24,580
negatives I thought I mean that I think

1235
00:55:28,829 --> 00:55:26,020
that brought some credibility to the

1236
00:55:30,359 --> 00:55:28,839
topic but at the same time like we've

1237
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:30,369
already discussed on this episode I

1238
00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:33,910
think it sort of painted an inaccurate

1239
00:55:39,340 --> 00:55:37,720
picture that maybe showing that UFOs

1240
00:55:42,550 --> 00:55:39,350
only appear

1241
00:55:44,110 --> 00:55:42,560
- you know fighter pilots he didn't

1242
00:55:46,570 --> 00:55:44,120
offer to like some fishermen in Mexico

1243
00:55:48,970 --> 00:55:46,580
who talked about it but primarily it was

1244
00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:48,980
like Oh our military are seeing these

1245
00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:51,590
things and then oh we just figured out

1246
00:55:57,970 --> 00:55:53,960
that UFOs are seen in other countries -

1247
00:56:02,190 --> 00:55:57,980
I I just think the UFO history and in

1248
00:56:04,540 --> 00:56:02,200
the UFO reality as a whole sort of

1249
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:04,550
misrepresented but again with the focus

1250
00:56:08,770 --> 00:56:07,280
on military focus on Congress you know

1251
00:56:11,770 --> 00:56:08,780
they knew what they were doing but

1252
00:56:13,540 --> 00:56:11,780
overall I liked the show I pretty

1253
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,550
confident that it will be coming back

1254
00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:16,160
for a season - and I think because of

1255
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:18,260
that and having season one under their

1256
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:20,330
belt I think it will be a more more

1257
00:56:24,580 --> 00:56:22,310
polished product and they'll be a little

1258
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:24,590
more comfortable and I think the the

1259
00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:25,850
storytelling will benefit from that

1260
00:56:31,690 --> 00:56:28,190
hopefully yeah yeah we'll see

1261
00:56:34,030 --> 00:56:31,700
and also if they ever interview Colonel

1262
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:34,040
halt again I'm very curious to see if he

1263
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:36,650
ages at all because I haven't seen him

1264
00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:39,770
in person maybe for five years or so and

1265
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:42,620
I swear he hasn't aged at all in the

1266
00:56:46,570 --> 00:56:44,690
last two decades and it's the same with

1267
00:56:49,810 --> 00:56:46,580
Travis Walton there's some weird stuff

1268
00:56:56,860 --> 00:56:54,430
alien experiences do not age yeah what

1269
00:56:59,650 --> 00:56:56,870
was downtime I mean somebody did tell me

1270
00:57:02,140 --> 00:56:59,660
if they thought I was 23 at a counter or

1271
00:57:06,010 --> 00:57:02,150
the other day and that's way younger

1272
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:06,020
than I am so yeah for as long as you can

1273
00:57:19,549 --> 00:57:16,480
[Music]

1274
00:57:20,779 --> 00:57:19,559
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1275
00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:20,789
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1276
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1278
00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:26,999
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1299
00:58:14,329 --> 00:58:11,640
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1300
00:58:15,859 --> 00:58:14,339
Ryan Sprague and I'm Shane heard it was

1301
00:58:17,390 --> 00:58:15,869
the favorite friends always treat the

1302
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,400
UFO subject with the cautious and

1303
00:58:21,259 --> 00:58:19,200
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1304
00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:21,269
question everything have the courage to

1305
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:23,910
form your own opinions keep truth as the

1306
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:25,710
focus of your quest even if the truth

1307
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:27,839
conflicts with your opinions and of